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Location: Midlands | If the ecu is from from a metro GTi it will run on your SPi flywheel is the good news. You need the GTi MPI engine loom to go with this tho...getting that too?
Running an emerald or aftermarket ecu could potentially unlock a few horses... but not masses incomparison to the outlay. |
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Location: Coventry | Excellent thank you very much Adrian! 
we will probably run with the metro gti ecu for now then maybe get an aftermarket one.
As for the engine loom, we spent ages trying to look for one, then I managed to sort my account out on here but by that time it was too late, we had already started making a custom made one from two looms we had to make it an mpi loom 
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Location: Midlands | When you get the ECU, if you post a photo will be able to tell you yay or nay for sure. ) |
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Location: Coventry | Ok excellent thank you very much Adrian I really appreciate it! |
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Location: Coventry | Hi guys
I was thinking earlier about my conversion..
I bought an old Metro GTI 1400 SPI then this is the engine I converted to a Metro GTI 1400 MPI as it's a Metro GTI engine, but the engine is just in a Rover 100. Does this mean my flywheel would be ok anyway regardless of the ecu? |
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Location: boosting the starbo gt through chipping sodbury | my neighbour has got a 214 on a n reg (box shape rover)would that have all i need to convert my metty gti to mpi from spi as most will have seen im having trouble with my spi metro
Edited by Kyle_GTI 19/8/2010 6:33 AM
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Location: Alston Cumbria | is there much of a difference in speed between the metro 1.1spi and the metro 1.1mpi??? |
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | Hi there,
I want to convert my 1,4 16v SPI to MPI.
I just bought an engine with ancilliaries, will I need more parts to make it work or can I just fit the engine and that´s it?
Edited by mookie 21/10/2010 3:43 AM
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | Forgot to mention it´s a Metro.
Will it work with current flywheel and ecu or do I need both?
What´s with the fuel filter housing and the charcoal canister purge relief valve does that really need to be changed to make everything work? |
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | seems like no one ever did this before and therefore no one knows the answer...
Will ECU MKC101460 fit or do I need another one?
An answer would be very helpful and thus highly appreciated.
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Location: Norfolk | mookie - 24/10/2010 3:13 PM
seems like no one ever did this before and therefore no one knows the answer...
Will ECU MKC101460 fit or do I need another one?
An answer would be very helpful and thus highly appreciated.
cheers
MKC101460 ECU is MEMS 1.6 so you would need the alloy inlet manifold and throttle body (56mm) along with the engine loom to attatch to the ECU. MEMS 1.6 works with a two pole flywheel from an early k series engine, you'll probably have a 4 pole if it is MEMS 1.9 or later so would need to change this and possibly the crankshaft positioning sensor if they're different.
If you're car was spi you'll need a gti mpi manifold and 4 bolt downpipe along with the lambda sensor.
You'll need the correct multipoint gti alloy coolant elbow with sensors on the front of the engine.
You may need an mpi throttle cable or cut your spi cable and fit a nipple.
Need an mpi airbox and fixing kit.
Fuel filter housing doesn't need changing but you may need to cut the petrol pipe coming from it and joint a new piece on to reach the mpi manifold.
The purge canister isn't really needed, it just reburns fumes.
Hope this is of some help.
Edited by stormgreygti 24/10/2010 7:23 AM
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | thanks for the quick reply.
Thing is mine was a 1992 GTa SPi, now that the engine is gone I bought a 214 Si engine of unknown year.
I want that to work in my car. Problem is that parts here in germany are as rare as a hen's teeth so I need to buy them in the uk and I don't want to buy more than one ECU.
What do you reckon is the best solution with the least hassle?
I was asking for that specific ECU, because there is one on ebay.co.uk and it says 114GTi
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | would this be of any help or is just plain useless for me
http://cgi.ebay.de/LOTUS-Elise-Mk2-Rover-Steuergerat-ECU-Original-/110599432894?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item19c03d6abe |
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Location: Norfolk | mookie - 24/10/2010 7:22 PM
thanks for the quick reply.
Thing is mine was a 1992 GTa SPi, now that the engine is gone I bought a 214 Si engine of unknown year.
I want that to work in my car. Problem is that parts here in germany are as rare as a hen's teeth so I need to buy them in the uk and I don't want to buy more than one ECU.
What do you reckon is the best solution with the least hassle?
I was asking for that specific ECU, because there is one on ebay.co.uk and it says 114GTi
Regarding the elise ECU, it will massively over fuel your 1.4 and will not be compatible with your engine wiring loom.
I thought the rover 214 SI engines were single point, is yours definately multipoint injection?
You may be able to tell the year if you can see any casting numbers probably a mid 90's year engine.
Did you get the inlet manifold with the engine, if so is it alloy or plastic if multipoint?
Did you get the engine wiring loom (loom with injection connectors and ecu plugs) if so how may multi pin plugs does it have for the ECU? If you have a multipoint injection engine loom with one multiplug ECU then the MKC101460 ECU will be fine because it'll be MEMS 1.6.
Depending what you have already will help me and others to explain what you need.
Connor.
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | cheers 4 quick reply.
don't have the engine yet, I bought it last week and it should arrive mon or tuesday.
The seller said it does have 103 PS(hp) so it should be the MPi. I haven't seen any pics so I'm not able to tell which one it is.
Probs will see tomorrow.. |
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Location: Norfolk | mookie - 24/10/2010 9:27 PM
cheers 4 quick reply.
don't have the engine yet, I bought it last week and it should arrive mon or tuesday.
The seller said it does have 103 PS(hp) so it should be the MPi. I haven't seen any pics so I'm not able to tell which one it is.
Probs will see tomorrow..
Ok then, easy to tell what it is, 103 hp is the mpi and can be identified by the cam cover being completely flat and not have a dish in the middle for the spi air filter assmebly and it has an inlet manifold saying injection.
I'll be plastic or alloy, the plastic would be MEMS 1.9 and later and the alloy MEMS 1.6.
If it's alloy and MEMS 1.6 you'll need an ECU with the number MKC101460 which is on ebay.co.uk
and a MEMS 1.6 wiring loom with single multi pin plug.
If it's MEMS 1.9 or later with the plastic manifold you'll need an ECU with different numbers indicating which version of MEMS.
There is a list of ECU numbers and what version of MEMS they are on a website called Bluestreak i think.
If you want i can get the website for you to have a look at once you know what manifold the engine has.
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | finally my engine arrived, ok here's the facts
it's from a '97 214, SARRFMWHMAD136777
14K4FH71 757621 and it came with ECU MKC 104021, loom and the manifold oh and I have the fuel filter as well.
So, my question again is, which ECU will I need (and what else)?
I need the water elbow, a downpipe (will 114MPI downpipe fit?), will the 214 loom work in my Metro?
thanks 4 ur help.
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | How do I distinguish between 2 and 4 pole flywheel?
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | help still needed (and the missing parts for my conversion as well).
Purrrrrleeease, heeeelp neeeeded |
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | As the engine came from a 1997 rover 214 it will have a 4 pole flywheel.
Your metro gta or 114 gta will have a 2 pole flywheel.
The easiest route would be to use your 2 pole flywheel off your GTa and get hold of a metro GTi mpi engine loom,ecu and light blue injectors as the rover 214 engine will have beige or yellow injectors,
that way it will all plug straight in with no modification
And dont forget ,mpi fuel pump
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | what's the difference between the injectors? will it work with the beige ones?
and in vvc warriors post it says I will need the 4pole flywheel, so the one on the 214 engine shuld be the right one then
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | it will over fuel if you use beige injectors on the metro GTi ecu (mems 1.6).
or you could use the rover 214 engine loom and have it moddified with 5as plug wired into the engine loom and
and then you could use the rover 214 ecu, flywheel and injectors.
but if it were me, i would just get the GTi mpi ecu and loom and pump. |
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Location: West Sussex | How difficult is it to fit post-2000 multi-coil pack engines into early Metro GTI's?
My new Metro's been badly converted to MPI by a former owner, it runs like a dog and I suspect the HG is on it's way out. While it's away having the bodywork sorted out I thought I would try to source a new'ish K series and all necessary conversion parts.
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Location: Bartley Green, Birmingham | Just a quick Q, when converting a carb to injection engine, why do you need the dash loom as well? |
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Location: Bartley Green, Birmingham | Anyone? |
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