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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | got the cams all set up with the verniers inlet needed advancing very slightley to gain full lift and exhaust needed retarding very slightley to gain full lift heres some pics of the timing disc set to tdc before i adjusted the verniers the timing belt on and the new water outlet elbow fitted ![]() (001.jpg) ![]() (002.jpg) ![]() (003.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | been busy today got the rocker cover on painted some parts before fitting on the engine and fitted the lower manifol and fuel rail ![]() (001.jpg) ![]() (002.jpg) ![]() (003.jpg) ![]() (004.jpg) ![]() (005.jpg) ![]() (006.jpg) ![]() (007.jpg) ![]() (008.jpg) ![]() (009.jpg) ![]() (010.jpg) ![]() (011.jpg) ![]() (012.jpg) ![]() (013.jpg) ![]() (014.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | painted my old injector clips as couldnt get new and cleaned upper half of inlet manifold and fitted to lower half need to remove sump from old engine to get powder coated and then i can fit it to new engine looks like a weekend job ![]() (001.jpg) ![]() (002.jpg) ![]() (003.jpg) ![]() (004.jpg) ![]() (005.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
djwilma![]() |
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![]() Expert Posts: 2812 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Bournemouth | Looking luuurvely. when you planning on fitting it ? | ||
dazbooker![]() |
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | djwilma - 8/2/2011 6:15 PM Looking luuurvely. when you planning on fitting it ? hopefully this weekend | ||
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![]() Posts: 2794 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Tamworth/Measham | excuse me french but that is fooking amazin daz,wona build my engine back up for me ![]() | ||
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | Turley_vvc - 8/2/2011 9:47 PM excuse me french but that is fooking amazin daz,wona build my engine back up for me ![]() can do mate get the parts and ill give you an hand | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 5629 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Letchworth/Basildon | dazbooker - 5/2/2011 6:26 PM munday - 5/2/2011 9:53 AM dazbooker - 5/2/2011 2:08 PM With that sort of CR you can run some healthy boost through that just worked compression ratio works out at 8.257 plus or minus 0.500 to 1 means i can run more boost over standard ratio 9.200 to 1 plus or minus 0.500 to 1 ![]() ![]() what sort of boost pressure do you reckon i coul run with this cr Well if it were mine (I wish) depending on the turb being used I would run up to 18psi at first and see how it was ![]() ![]() Really nice journal and love the work going into this ![]() | ||
munday![]() |
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![]() Expert Posts: 5629 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Letchworth/Basildon | dazbooker - 5/2/2011 6:26 PM munday - 5/2/2011 9:53 AM dazbooker - 5/2/2011 2:08 PM With that sort of CR you can run some healthy boost through that just worked compression ratio works out at 8.257 plus or minus 0.500 to 1 means i can run more boost over standard ratio 9.200 to 1 plus or minus 0.500 to 1 ![]() ![]() what sort of boost pressure do you reckon i coul run with this cr Well if it were mine (I wish) depending on the turb being used I would run up to 18psi at first and see how it was ![]() ![]() Really nice journal and love the work going into this ![]() | ||
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![]() Posts: 2794 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Tamworth/Measham | dazbooker - 8/2/2011 1:56 PM Turley_vvc - 8/2/2011 9:47 PM excuse me french but that is fooking amazin daz,wona build my engine back up for me ![]() can do mate get the parts and ill give you an hand Cheers but how would that work lol | ||
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | Turley_vvc - 8/2/2011 10:07 PM dazbooker - 8/2/2011 1:56 PM Turley_vvc - 8/2/2011 9:47 PM excuse me french but that is fooking amazin daz,wona build my engine back up for me ![]() can do mate get the parts and ill give you an hand Cheers but how would that work lol if you really want it doing you would have to drop it up to me with all your bits and ill build it for you | ||
dazbooker![]() |
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | munday - 8/2/2011 10:00 PM dazbooker - 5/2/2011 6:26 PM munday - 5/2/2011 9:53 AM dazbooker - 5/2/2011 2:08 PM With that sort of CR you can run some healthy boost through that just worked compression ratio works out at 8.257 plus or minus 0.500 to 1 means i can run more boost over standard ratio 9.200 to 1 plus or minus 0.500 to 1 ![]() ![]() what sort of boost pressure do you reckon i coul run with this cr Well if it were mine (I wish) depending on the turb being used I would run up to 18psi at first and see how it was ![]() ![]() Really nice journal and love the work going into this ![]() going to have to use the gt20 turbo as theres no room for a bigger turbo standard pressure is about 10 psi at the moment was running 15 psi but didnt feel like it was safe on standard rods and pistons so maybe i could try that first | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 5629 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Letchworth/Basildon | Yeah wouldnt feel too comfortable running any more than that. I would worry about inlet temps but you can moniter these cant you? So thats great! With a gt28 you could run 15psi but be in a whole new league of power. Proably not what you're aiming for though ![]() | ||
Roverdose![]() |
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Veteran Posts: 444 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | the c/r is fine for loads of boost, but id be concerned about the deck height. Drew | ||
djwilma![]() |
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![]() Expert Posts: 2812 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Bournemouth | munday - 8/2/2011 10:10 AM With a gt28 you could run 15psi but be in a whole new league of power. Proably not what you're aiming for though ![]() Here we go again ![]() ![]() | ||
dazbooker![]() |
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | Roverdose - 9/2/2011 7:40 PM the c/r is fine for loads of boost, but id be concerned about the deck height. Drew what concerns you about the deck height drew the piston height is 0.33mm above the liner and the gasket height comressed is 1.25mm so can see a problem really as the engine turns over no problem and i cant see anything altering much if anything when its running Edited by dazbooker 9/2/2011 2:35 PM | ||
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![]() Nutta With An Orange Grille Posts: 5280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Who put that pit there keep falling down :( | correct me if im wrong but the gt20 gt28 etc doesent have much to do with the turbo size its a measurement of shaft size for example the compressor on the gt2052ls as fitted to the r75t uses almost exactly the same size compressor as the TB2555 (gt25) fitted on the rover 220 turbo | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 2812 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Bournemouth | muzza - 8/2/2011 9:44 PM correct me if im wrong but the gt20 gt28 etc doesent have much to do with the turbo size its a measurement of shaft size for example the compressor on the gt2052ls as fitted to the r75t uses almost exactly the same size compressor as the TB2555 (gt25) fitted on the rover 220 turbo This explains it best http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/gt_basics.html http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/turbo_comparison_sheet.htm In essence you can have a GT20 and a GT28 with the same or similar size compressor wheel, but the frame of a GT28 is bigger | ||
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | djwilma - 9/2/2011 11:24 PM muzza - 8/2/2011 9:44 PM correct me if im wrong but the gt20 gt28 etc doesent have much to do with the turbo size its a measurement of shaft size for example the compressor on the gt2052ls as fitted to the r75t uses almost exactly the same size compressor as the TB2555 (gt25) fitted on the rover 220 turbo This explains it best http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/gt_basics.html http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/turbo_comparison_sheet.htm In essence you can have a GT20 and a GT28 with the same or similar size compressor wheel, but the frame of a GT28 is bigger yeh looked at this myself just the bodys bigger to allow more air in to the turbo cant fit this though notenough room think the one i have should do fine | ||
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Veteran Posts: 444 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | you might be able to fit a t28 as the std recirc valve is quite big, so without that could allow a larger compressor housing. as for the deck height, the piston is quite close to the head, that 'may' cause a problem. although its a T so slightly different i found that high boost and low deck height dont mix too well. Drew | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 6619 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Guildford | munday - 9/2/2011 8:10 AM Yeah wouldnt feel too comfortable running any more than that. I would worry about inlet temps but you can moniter these cant you? So thats great! With a gt28 you could run 15psi but be in a whole new league of power. Proably not what you're aiming for though ![]() I dont get this, if 2 turbo's are both making 15psi at 4500rpm for example how will one make more power than the other assuming 15 psi is within the efficiency range of both? I can see the bigger turbo making the same boost at higher rpms but if the small turbo is not outside its comfort zone in the RPM range you require why would a bigger turbo make more power? | ||
munday![]() |
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![]() Expert Posts: 5629 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Letchworth/Basildon | Access_denied - 10/2/2011 7:16 PM munday - 9/2/2011 8:10 AM Yeah wouldnt feel too comfortable running any more than that. I would worry about inlet temps but you can moniter these cant you? So thats great! With a gt28 you could run 15psi but be in a whole new league of power. Proably not what you're aiming for though ![]() I dont get this, if 2 turbo's are both making 15psi at 4500rpm for example how will one make more power than the other assuming 15 psi is within the efficiency range of both? I can see the bigger turbo making the same boost at higher rpms but if the small turbo is not outside its comfort zone in the RPM range you require why would a bigger turbo make more power? Its because the bigger turbo will flow more air at a given pressure than a smaller one. This is kinda an extreme example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrb2sBGI8Sk | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 6619 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Guildford | munday - 10/2/2011 5:52 PM Access_denied - 10/2/2011 7:16 PM munday - 9/2/2011 8:10 AM Yeah wouldnt feel too comfortable running any more than that. I would worry about inlet temps but you can moniter these cant you? So thats great! With a gt28 you could run 15psi but be in a whole new league of power. Proably not what you're aiming for though ![]() I dont get this, if 2 turbo's are both making 15psi at 4500rpm for example how will one make more power than the other assuming 15 psi is within the efficiency range of both? I can see the bigger turbo making the same boost at higher rpms but if the small turbo is not outside its comfort zone in the RPM range you require why would a bigger turbo make more power? Its because the bigger turbo will flow more air at a given pressure than a smaller one. This is kinda an extreme example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrb2sBGI8Sk That does not make sense, boyles law says that air pressure and mass are intrisicly linked so if the pressure is the same, the volume of the container is the same (same engine) and the air temperature is the same then the mass of air is the same. You have to run higher rpm's to run lower boost so its all a trade off, make an engine capable of running boost or high RPMs or both if you have deep pockets. Edited by Access_denied 10/2/2011 12:06 PM | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 5629 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Letchworth/Basildon | It is really due to an increase in VE. You end up with less backpressure because the bigger turbos turbine will flow more and the wastegate will open sooner and wider because of the much lower rpm the turbo needs to spin at to create the desired boost. With the reduced backpressure the engines demand for air increases. Oh and you'll undoubtedly get lower pre intercooler temps. Obviously you are looking for a balance between the response and the flow capability of the turbo | ||
dazbooker![]() |
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Expert Posts: 1265 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: barnsley | all this is good reading guys but at the end of the day theres no room to fit a bigger turbo so im stuck with the one ive got | ||
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