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Location: Co. Durham North East | Metro and R100 K-series engine conversion For a 1.1 & 1.4 Spi to Mpi items you will need for conversion.
mpi fuel pump.
mpi engine loom with all compatable ecu setup
mpi throttle cable or put a niple on the spi one.
mpi exhaust manifold & downpipe.
mpi 4 pole flywheel.
mpi brake vacum.
mpi water pipes. The same items are needed for the 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 16 valve engine conversion. If your R100 is already a 1.1 or 1.4 Mpi engine and your wanting too fit a 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 16 valve engine you'll only need a 200mm clutch, Mpi exhaust manifold with Gti Mpi exhaust down pipe, the rest of the items are already fitted too the car. As above for the vvc conversion into the Metro or R100 with R65 gearbox, but would advise that you buy a 200mm clutch. You will also need a converted engine loom , this can be sourced on the forum by a few members who will do you the loom conversion at a very resonable price. . For the Carb engine Metro's ( k-series ) You'll need all the above but will also need, A Mpi petrol tank complete with full fuel lines & fuel filter. Complete engine bay wiring loom & dash loom with clocks. My advice is too find a scrap R100 and remove all the parts needed to make things alot more easier for the Mpi engine conversion . I would advice that you give the engine a good service before you fit it. New cambelt, water pump, themostat, oil and oil filter, plugs & leads. thanks very much Admin. |
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| Sorry to sound thick (even though i am) but what will i need for a GTi MPi on a L-plate? Just a 200mm clutch? |
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Location: Co. Durham North East | Yes, if your fitting a 1.8 engine ( like you said in your welcome thread ) |
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Location: Norfolk | I've read somewhere that the spi and mpi flywheels are the same. Is this not true? |
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Location: Gloucester | metro1.1 - 14/12/2009 6:21 PM
I've read somewhere that the spi and mpi flywheels are the same. Is this not true?
not on the Rover 100s. |
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| Thanks for info, which cars can i source the 1.4-1.6 from (rover 214 216 ect) |
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Location: Norfolk | You say that an mpi throttle cable is needed or put a nipple on the spi one.
My spi throttle cable has a nipple on already, does this still need changing when i do the conversion?
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Location: Co. Durham North East | it'll be better if you get the Mpi throttle cable for the car, it only takes minutes to fit |
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Location: Letchworth/Basildon | I'm sure I always had an Spi cable after converting to Mpi |
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Location: Norfolk | Is it a different length, or does the mpi throttle linkage put more strain on the cable?
I could understand changing it if it may snap or if it's frayed. but if my spi cable fits then i would prefer to use that rather than source an mpi one.
Also Munday, was your car a 1.4 spi or a 1.1? because my car is a 1.4 gti spi 16v and just thought that the 1.1 spi throttle cable may be different to the 1.4 spi gti's (if it is then vvc warrior is right about needing to change it).
Thanks.
Edited by metro1.1 10/2/2010 1:43 PM
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Location: Letchworth/Basildon | It was a Gti spi same as yours, converted to 1.8 with cams and it was so awesome (now i have a 160vvc...better  ) |
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | metro1.1 - 10/2/2010 9:40 PM
Is it a different length, or does the mpi throttle linkage put more strain on the cable?
I could understand changing it if it may snap or if it's frayed. but if my spi cable fits then i would prefer to use that rather than source an mpi one.
Thanks.
the spi cable is to long, what you can is cut the nipple off and put your own nipple on to shorten it,
l also find on spi models accelerator pedal sit lower due to spi throttle body having less travel.
To oveer come this i bend the pedal up until i have sufficant travel for the mpi throttle body.
Other then that you shouldnt get any problems
Edited by R100_vvc 10/2/2010 1:50 PM
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Location: Norfolk | R100_vvc - 10/2/2010 9:48 PM
metro1.1 - 10/2/2010 9:40 PM
Is it a different length, or does the mpi throttle linkage put more strain on the cable?
I could understand changing it if it may snap or if it's frayed. but if my spi cable fits then i would prefer to use that rather than source an mpi one.
Thanks.
the spi cable is to long, what you can is cut the nipple off and put your own nipple on to shorten it,
l also find on spi models accelerator pedal sit lower due to spi throttle body having less travel.
To oveer come this i bend the pedal up until i have sufficant travel for the mpi throttle body.
Other then that you shouldnt get any problems
Ahh right thanks for the information.
I will just see how the spi cable fits when i get all the parts together for the conversion. because i wouldn't want to ruin the cable if it would've fitted. |
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | when you come to fit the cable, you will see what to do.
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Location: Norfolk | Ok thanks for your help. |
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Location: Swindon | So come, spill the beans. What is the difference between the SPi and MPi flywheels?
Neil
Metromartin - 14/12/2009 9:28 PM
metro1.1 - 14/12/2009 6:21 PM
I've read somewhere that the spi and mpi flywheels are the same. Is this not true?
not on the Rover 100s. |
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Location: Norfolk | MetroHF - 4/3/2010 1:36 PM
So come, spill the beans. What is the difference between the SPi and MPi flywheels?
Neil
I think one as 2 poles and the other 4.
Edited by metro1.1 29/3/2010 10:47 AM
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Location: Coventry | metro1.1 - 29/3/2010 10:46 AM
MetroHF - 4/3/2010 1:36 PM
So come, spill the beans. What is the difference between the SPi and MPi flywheels?
Neil
I think one as 2 poles and the other 4.
Sh*t! ive fitted my flywheel off my spi  Is there no way around it??? Help please! |
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | are you converting a rover metro to mpi or rover 100? |
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Location: Coventry | Rover 100 1.1 spi - Rover 100 1400 mpi |
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | no you will have to change your flywheel for a 4 pole flywheel |
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Location: Coventry | Ah crap, does it make any difference on whether it's a machined groove or the rivited one? |
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Location: Midlands | What 1400 16v ECU are you using?? Are you using a Metro GTi one or one from say a Rover 200 bubble for example? |
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Location: Coventry | The ecu - It will be a Metro gti one i think, a fello racer is sending us one..
Does it make any difference that the car is used on the track and not on the road? The ecu will be getting chipped and re mapped (?)
Would it make any difference running with an aftermarket one ie, Luminition or emerald?
Edited by met30b 6/5/2010 2:10 AM
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Location: Midlands | If the ecu is from from a metro GTi it will run on your SPi flywheel is the good news. You need the GTi MPI engine loom to go with this tho...getting that too?
Running an emerald or aftermarket ecu could potentially unlock a few horses... but not masses incomparison to the outlay. |
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Location: Coventry | Excellent thank you very much Adrian! 
we will probably run with the metro gti ecu for now then maybe get an aftermarket one.
As for the engine loom, we spent ages trying to look for one, then I managed to sort my account out on here but by that time it was too late, we had already started making a custom made one from two looms we had to make it an mpi loom
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Location: Midlands | When you get the ECU, if you post a photo will be able to tell you yay or nay for sure. ) |
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Location: Coventry | Ok excellent thank you very much Adrian I really appreciate it! |
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Location: Coventry | Hi guys
I was thinking earlier about my conversion..
I bought an old Metro GTI 1400 SPI then this is the engine I converted to a Metro GTI 1400 MPI as it's a Metro GTI engine, but the engine is just in a Rover 100. Does this mean my flywheel would be ok anyway regardless of the ecu? |
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Location: boosting the starbo gt through chipping sodbury | my neighbour has got a 214 on a n reg (box shape rover)would that have all i need to convert my metty gti to mpi from spi as most will have seen im having trouble with my spi metro
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Location: Alston Cumbria | is there much of a difference in speed between the metro 1.1spi and the metro 1.1mpi??? |
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | Hi there,
I want to convert my 1,4 16v SPI to MPI.
I just bought an engine with ancilliaries, will I need more parts to make it work or can I just fit the engine and that´s it?
Edited by mookie 21/10/2010 3:43 AM
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | Forgot to mention it´s a Metro.
Will it work with current flywheel and ecu or do I need both?
What´s with the fuel filter housing and the charcoal canister purge relief valve does that really need to be changed to make everything work? |
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | seems like no one ever did this before and therefore no one knows the answer...
Will ECU MKC101460 fit or do I need another one?
An answer would be very helpful and thus highly appreciated.
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Location: Norfolk | mookie - 24/10/2010 3:13 PM
seems like no one ever did this before and therefore no one knows the answer...
Will ECU MKC101460 fit or do I need another one?
An answer would be very helpful and thus highly appreciated.
cheers
MKC101460 ECU is MEMS 1.6 so you would need the alloy inlet manifold and throttle body (56mm) along with the engine loom to attatch to the ECU. MEMS 1.6 works with a two pole flywheel from an early k series engine, you'll probably have a 4 pole if it is MEMS 1.9 or later so would need to change this and possibly the crankshaft positioning sensor if they're different.
If you're car was spi you'll need a gti mpi manifold and 4 bolt downpipe along with the lambda sensor.
You'll need the correct multipoint gti alloy coolant elbow with sensors on the front of the engine.
You may need an mpi throttle cable or cut your spi cable and fit a nipple.
Need an mpi airbox and fixing kit.
Fuel filter housing doesn't need changing but you may need to cut the petrol pipe coming from it and joint a new piece on to reach the mpi manifold.
The purge canister isn't really needed, it just reburns fumes.
Hope this is of some help.
Edited by stormgreygti 24/10/2010 7:23 AM
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | thanks for the quick reply.
Thing is mine was a 1992 GTa SPi, now that the engine is gone I bought a 214 Si engine of unknown year.
I want that to work in my car. Problem is that parts here in germany are as rare as a hen's teeth so I need to buy them in the uk and I don't want to buy more than one ECU.
What do you reckon is the best solution with the least hassle?
I was asking for that specific ECU, because there is one on ebay.co.uk and it says 114GTi
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | would this be of any help or is just plain useless for me
http://cgi.ebay.de/LOTUS-Elise-Mk2-Rover-Steuergerat-ECU-Original-/110599432894?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item19c03d6abe |
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Location: Norfolk | mookie - 24/10/2010 7:22 PM
thanks for the quick reply.
Thing is mine was a 1992 GTa SPi, now that the engine is gone I bought a 214 Si engine of unknown year.
I want that to work in my car. Problem is that parts here in germany are as rare as a hen's teeth so I need to buy them in the uk and I don't want to buy more than one ECU.
What do you reckon is the best solution with the least hassle?
I was asking for that specific ECU, because there is one on ebay.co.uk and it says 114GTi
Regarding the elise ECU, it will massively over fuel your 1.4 and will not be compatible with your engine wiring loom.
I thought the rover 214 SI engines were single point, is yours definately multipoint injection?
You may be able to tell the year if you can see any casting numbers probably a mid 90's year engine.
Did you get the inlet manifold with the engine, if so is it alloy or plastic if multipoint?
Did you get the engine wiring loom (loom with injection connectors and ecu plugs) if so how may multi pin plugs does it have for the ECU? If you have a multipoint injection engine loom with one multiplug ECU then the MKC101460 ECU will be fine because it'll be MEMS 1.6.
Depending what you have already will help me and others to explain what you need.
Connor.
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | cheers 4 quick reply.
don't have the engine yet, I bought it last week and it should arrive mon or tuesday.
The seller said it does have 103 PS(hp) so it should be the MPi. I haven't seen any pics so I'm not able to tell which one it is.
Probs will see tomorrow.. |
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Location: Norfolk | mookie - 24/10/2010 9:27 PM
cheers 4 quick reply.
don't have the engine yet, I bought it last week and it should arrive mon or tuesday.
The seller said it does have 103 PS(hp) so it should be the MPi. I haven't seen any pics so I'm not able to tell which one it is.
Probs will see tomorrow..
Ok then, easy to tell what it is, 103 hp is the mpi and can be identified by the cam cover being completely flat and not have a dish in the middle for the spi air filter assmebly and it has an inlet manifold saying injection.
I'll be plastic or alloy, the plastic would be MEMS 1.9 and later and the alloy MEMS 1.6.
If it's alloy and MEMS 1.6 you'll need an ECU with the number MKC101460 which is on ebay.co.uk
and a MEMS 1.6 wiring loom with single multi pin plug.
If it's MEMS 1.9 or later with the plastic manifold you'll need an ECU with different numbers indicating which version of MEMS.
There is a list of ECU numbers and what version of MEMS they are on a website called Bluestreak i think.
If you want i can get the website for you to have a look at once you know what manifold the engine has.
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | finally my engine arrived, ok here's the facts
it's from a '97 214, SARRFMWHMAD136777
14K4FH71 757621 and it came with ECU MKC 104021, loom and the manifold oh and I have the fuel filter as well.
So, my question again is, which ECU will I need (and what else)?
I need the water elbow, a downpipe (will 114MPI downpipe fit?), will the 214 loom work in my Metro?
thanks 4 ur help.
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | How do I distinguish between 2 and 4 pole flywheel?
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | help still needed (and the missing parts for my conversion as well).
Purrrrrleeease, heeeelp neeeeded |
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | As the engine came from a 1997 rover 214 it will have a 4 pole flywheel.
Your metro gta or 114 gta will have a 2 pole flywheel.
The easiest route would be to use your 2 pole flywheel off your GTa and get hold of a metro GTi mpi engine loom,ecu and light blue injectors as the rover 214 engine will have beige or yellow injectors,
that way it will all plug straight in with no modification
And dont forget ,mpi fuel pump
Edited by R100_vvc 2/11/2010 10:42 AM
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Location: abroad....good ole germany | what's the difference between the injectors? will it work with the beige ones?
and in vvc warriors post it says I will need the 4pole flywheel, so the one on the 214 engine shuld be the right one then
Edited by mookie 2/11/2010 11:24 AM
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | it will over fuel if you use beige injectors on the metro GTi ecu (mems 1.6).
or you could use the rover 214 engine loom and have it moddified with 5as plug wired into the engine loom and
and then you could use the rover 214 ecu, flywheel and injectors.
but if it were me, i would just get the GTi mpi ecu and loom and pump. |
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Location: West Sussex | How difficult is it to fit post-2000 multi-coil pack engines into early Metro GTI's?
My new Metro's been badly converted to MPI by a former owner, it runs like a dog and I suspect the HG is on it's way out. While it's away having the bodywork sorted out I thought I would try to source a new'ish K series and all necessary conversion parts.
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Location: Bartley Green, Birmingham | Just a quick Q, when converting a carb to injection engine, why do you need the dash loom as well? |
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Location: Bartley Green, Birmingham | Anyone? |
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| how would i go about fitting a 1.4 or 1.6 into a metro an running bike carbs ? |
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Location: Bromley, Kent | Don't know if anyone can help, changing my 1.4 gta carb and going to mpi, I have fitted everything except the bloody fuel lines can some one tell me best way to get them in? |
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Location: Midlands | With the front subframe it will be a bit of a struggle, you may have to install them one by one to feed them past the subframe. Exhaust off, heat shield off and gearlinkages out of the way will also make this easier. |
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Location: Bromley, Kent | Oh okay mate I also have the front arb still there should I remove |
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Location: Burnley, Lancs | Defo take the arb off, I had to do this when I coverted mine and you can get them in without having to take anything else off it's just a case of wrestling them in. You should only have to fit one pipe? Just fit the injection feed pipe, the carb feed pipe is the same as the injection return pipe. |
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| This may have already have been answered here, but i'd be greatfull of some advise please.
I've just bought a 1994 MPI GTI Metro and i'd like to fit a 1.8VVC
what exactly do i need to do or change to fit one please? will a vvc run on the MPI metro ecu for example?
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Location: Bromley, Kent | Check the first post of the thread on page 1! also, get some pics up of your GTI. Rare cars now! |
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| 111Sli - 8/3/2012 7:53 PM
Check the first post of the thread on page 1! also, get some pics up of your GTI. Rare cars now!
Have posted some pics now, I have read the first post but am still unsure about the ecu etc...? so can i use the GTI ecu for a VVC?.. |
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Location: sittingbourne, kent | No you will need to use a vvc ecu, you can get loom conversions so its plug and play if you hate wiring.
PM AdrianSi very well recomended for loom conversions
Edited by R100_vvc 8/3/2012 10:07 PM
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Location: Hull | Hi All,
I have managed to pick up a 2001 MGF VVC as a donor for a 1995 R100 1.4 8v Spi Car, the Spi is very poorly as the engine is tired and old.
Reading this forum I can see what bits are used to do a VVC engine conversion but can I take the MGF gearbox (drive shafts etc.) across too and what bits of the MGF suspension can I use?
I'm assuming that I can use the engine wiring loom and the ECU(reprogrammed to get rid of the BCU link) off the MGF in the R100?
I think it is a 143bhp car; I know that I will need a 52mm TB and a better air induction system to take this up to 160bhp, but what else is needed. Does the Engine management system need changing.
Thanks for any guidance in advance.
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Location: brighouse just shy huddersfield | had a read thru here I have a complete mems 3 1800 solid cam mgzr if it's on an r65 would I just need to source a clutch engine loom and fuel pump? do I still need an mpI loom if I get a plug and play mems 3 loom? |
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Location: York, tis Cold Up North! | I suggest you contact Adrian Barnsley and discuss what you have and what you still need and he will advise correctly.
Done many looms etc for people on here.
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