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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | I have been toying with the idea of putting a 1600/1800 16v into my car, so bit the bullet and went for it. My good old jock friend also convinced me to go bike carbs in the future (he is a genius with megajolt and r1 carbs having done many conversions) so here it is.....I will update the progress so far when I get time away from work. Enjoy ![]() | ||
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New user Posts: 7 | I'm the Jock mentioned above,keep waiting for metalmnan to update this thread, he has'nt so I will. Donor car, a badly abused MG ZR, but the engine had been rebuilt by a mate of mine a couple of years ago and hadn't been used much since the car had been crashed into a streetlamp, so we got it running and it ran sweet. ![]() Engine was looking scabby, so it was cleaned up. ![]() | ||
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New user Posts: 7 | ![]() tidying the engine. ![]() ![]() It was treated to a new cam belt and vernier pulleys, these will help optomise the cam timing on the std cams just now and will really be needed when I get the spare head ported, ready for some fast road cams when the R1 conversion takes place. ![]() Here's the car. ![]() In all it's 1100cc glory. ![]() ![]() Bye bye 1100 ![]() ![]() The bolts holding the engine mounting bar had badly corroded heads, these were replaced with ones. ![]() ![]() 1600 flywheel was sourced and lightened. ![]() Lightened flywheel and old std one. ![]() 1600 fitted. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Look at that ![]() | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | We think we have traced the running problem to a duff pump...will put pics of fuel pressure gauge up soon...will change pump and see what happens. | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | A lot has happened since this was last updated (I will put a proper thread up from start to finish when I get chance) but this is where it stands at the moment....Will add a picture below (once I remember my photo bucket details!) | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 4458 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Jelling, Denmark | will be exciting to see how you do with the bike carbs. exciting project ![]() | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | The bloke who put the other pics on is a genius with them so all should be good. Excited to hear it and drive it | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | so..as a long overdue update to this. I had a custom manifold made. A few pics are below. The workmanship is unbelievable if I'm honest. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by *metalman* 17/2/2016 5:33 PM | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | And here are some of the manifold fitted up to the car... The real money shot! Its starting to look like a car again instead of a collection of parts. ![]() After this I decided to mock up the carbs onto the engine (excuse the poor fitment, I will be using proper R1 carb rubbers to fit them) ![]() | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Since the manifold was now in place (held by a top secret rubberised compound - no gasket!), it was time to move on to rebuilding and rejetting the carbs. Step 1. Flip the carbs upside down and remove the underside of the float bowls. ![]() Step 2. Inspect. ![]() Dirty and full of crud! ![]() Step 3. Remove main jet (the slotted bit on top of the big hex) ![]() Step 4. Make the main jet bigger! ![]() Step 5. Refit enlarged main jet. Size depends on engine size and state of tune. Edited by *metalman* 17/2/2016 7:08 PM | ||
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![]() dot dot dot Rally Spec ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Northwest | Looks very nice engine build. | ||
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![]() Regular Posts: 145 ![]() ![]() Location: Lincolnshire | One thing I've never done nor been advised to is drill out jets, that's all a bit silly haha,nice build how ever though | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 4458 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Jelling, Denmark | your new mainfold looks great but doesn't seem to have the small waterpipe at the cambelt end, will this be a problem? | ||
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New user Posts: 7 | The water pipe fitting was not on the manifold at the time the pics were taken, it is now though. | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | As Tom said, the manifold was fabricated without the small water pipe fitting,we added this before fitting the manifold to the car, so it all functions as intended. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 697 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: leigh | Got to love a bike carb set up.. I can already here the induction roar! Glad to see some one not following the pack aswel! | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 4458 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Jelling, Denmark | yes it will be interesting to see a dyno graph ![]() | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 931 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: west bromwich, birmingham | joshmk4 - 18/2/2016 6:55 AM One thing I've never done nor been advised to is drill out jets, that's all a bit silly haha,nice build how ever though done it several times over the years need good drills and a lathe to do it right, how it works ifjet is a 100 that is 1mm hole center so if u needed a 170 jet you would need a 1.70mm drill and so forth ect Alex | ||
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![]() Regular Posts: 145 ![]() ![]() Location: Lincolnshire | Makes sense, but different Carb manufactutes use different number ratings, seems a ballache calculating it? | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Having a good set of small sized drill bits works wonders. I have driven a couple of bike carb cars that have been done this way and I can assure you they respond very well. It may seem pikey drilling jets but it works. And as above, the induction roar is like nothing else. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 697 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: leigh | How are you going to control the spark? | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Spark is controlled by Megajolt. Uses a Ford coilpack and edis and you can map the spark to whatever you like. Edited by *metalman* 2/4/2016 2:01 PM | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Anyway. To crack on with the rebuild.... Step 6. Remove Idle jet. Step 7. Redrill idle jet a tad larger. ![]() Step 8. Refit idle jet. URL=http://s122.photobucket.com/user/turkey666_ak/media/received_10154015531710628.jpeg.html] ![]() Step 9. Lots of cleaning! To go from this: ![]() To this: ![]() Step 10. Refit float bowls. Step 11. Flip carbs over, remove plastic top and start to check the springs and needles. ![]() Hang on. This spring looks a little shorter than standard. (More on that later!) Step 12. Remove diaphragm and check for dirt/grit. ![]() Looks pretty clean, it wasn't! Step 13. Remove needle from diaphragm body. ![]() Hang on, how many grooves are on top of the needle? (we are almost there.....) Edited by *metalman* 2/4/2016 1:59 PM | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 697 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: leigh | What trigger wheel did you use? | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | A 36-1 bolted onto a modified bottom pulley (single belt). With a cnc crank sensor mount bolted onto the side of the block using sump bolts. | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Lets take a closer look at the number of grooves... ![]() Interesting. We stripped my other set of carbs to compare needles and this is what we found. ![]() Standard needle is on the left, my needle is on the right. Another comparison was seen in the length of the spring. So we layed out standard, and my set to compare. ![]() Again: Standard is on left, mine are on right. Another slight quirk we noticed between the needles I had fitted and the standard needles were just how damn sharp the points were! ![]() This proved hard to get a picture of but my needle is on the left this time, standard needle on the right. Verdict: This set of carbs I bought from America had been fitted with a Dynojet kit. This was quite a lucky find as the Dynojet kit is worth more than what I paid for the carbs, even after being stung for the import tax on top of the purchase price. HAPPY DAYS! Step 14: Adjust the position of the e-clip to raise the position of the needle very slightly to alter the mixture. Step 15: Refit needle to diaphragm. Step 16: Clean inside carb in readiness for refitting needle and diaphragm. ![]() It looked pretty clean to start with, still gave it a liberal spray of brake cleaner. Step 17: Refit needle and diaphragm. Step 18: A bit more cleaning! ![]() Can even see my spare set of carbs in the background ![]() That's is the carbs cleaned and checked, all we need to do now is fit the fuel pump, connect fuel lines, 5 minutes wiring, then boom it runs. YEAH RIGHT! Edited by *metalman* 2/4/2016 6:00 PM | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | After the success of the carbs we decided to tackle the wiring (oh no not again!). We need a way of getting a spark to the engine. We decided to go with the trusted megajolt system again. This requires fitting a Ford coilpack, edis and crank sensor amongst other things. Luckily I bought an edis with original Ford loom attached so I could tap into this and run wires to where I needed. Fitted edis: (which is a damn ballache considering where we had to bolt it. ![]() As you an see, the plug with the blue in it is the feed to the coilpack, the two pin plug on the left is to the crank sensor, which reads of a 36-1 trigger wheel that we attached to a machined down bottom pulley. No need for power steering or aircon! Lets have a picture of some lovely spaghetti: ![]() Since the black relay pack was almost redundant, we decided to utilise the standard relays on the nearside inner wing for the starting circuit. ![]() Since we had no ECU, we came to the conclusion that we would need a way of switching the cooling fan on when the temperature demanded it. We could have fitted a simple switch to turn the fan on, but that's a bit of a pikey way of doing it, and I'm a daft sod that forgets things so decided am automatic fan controller would be more appropriate. Here it is: ![]() ![]() Looks good, and it works. Edited by *metalman* 2/4/2016 6:18 PM | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | We then needed to fit the fuel pump. Like a plum I forgot to take any pictures of this, so google may have to come to my rescue here. We bolted a Facet fuel pump to the original fuel filter mounting point on the bulkhead using some 6mm bobbins. ![]() We then needed a way to regulate the pressure. So we filter a filer/fuel pressure regulator. ![]() This was fitted to the offside inner wing just below the scuttle panel. Nice tidy job. We then needed a way of getting the fuel out of the tank, into the pump. Simple, removed the standard in tank fuel pump and fitted a piece of fuel pipe that would scavenge fuel from the bottom of the tank. Simple, but it works. After plumbing all this up woth 8mm fuel pipe, connected the fuel feed to the carbs, fitted the carbs to the engine, I discovered another problem. The HT leads. I had bought a set of silicone leads for a 143 vvc off gaybay a couple of years ago, but they sat in my shed. I had also bought some lead ends to suit the ford coilpack (the end is much thinner diameter, the standard connector will not fit, can get a picture if need be). The only problem now was that I had a set of leads that will fit the spark plugs, and a set of terminals that will fit the coilpack. The problem was mating the two. I delved into my tool kit, and low and behold, a nice set of HT lead crimping pliers appeared: ![]() I'm sure I got some photos of this, but cannot find them, so bare with me! The 2 days worth of effort resulted in this: Success! (Before anyone states that the car looks crap, I'm aware of this, this was just a test fire to prove the point that this system works. We have spent an awful lot of hours tidying up the wiring since this video.) Edited by *metalman* 2/4/2016 6:43 PM | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Now that the car runs, we decided that the next logical step was to wire in the megajolt. Again, like a numpty, I don't seem to be able to find any pictures of this, lets just say that 2 of us took a full day to run all the wires into the car, find appropriate signal/live/earth wires to tap into, and to begin to fit the system. After a full day, the wiring was still not complete. I went back to work (yay! ![]() If I can find the pictures of this work I will update the thread. Next time I work on the car I will try and take some more pictures. | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Since the wiring to control the spark was almost finished, I decided that I needed some extra gauges in the cabin. Sitting in the drivers seat and looking around I decided that the perfect place to fit them would be where the stereo should be. (who needs a stereo anyway!). ![]() This should fit the bill nicely. The AFR gauge is needed to monitor the mixture when the car is out on the road. I will add 2 more gauges once I can decide what I want. At the moment I am favoring oil pressure and coolant temperature, no doubt I will change my mind though. I am yet to wire in the AFR gauge as spare time is at a premium again. | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Once I had decided to fit the gauges instead of a stereo, I changed my mind again. As addictive as the induction noise is, there are certain times when I need a bit of music. This prompted me to find somewhere else to fit the stereo. Then it dawned on me: THE GLOVEBOX! I then set about drilling a massive hole into the back of the glove box in order to allow the wires to pass into it. ![]() ![]() ![]() Ignore the black dust in the glovebox, it is the remnants of having the dash flocked, its nice and clean now. I then chased the wires, separated them from the loom and put them into the glove box, prodicing this: ![]() And......it all works as it should. This will also be the place for the megajolt to keep it safe, away from danger, but accessible enough to be able to plug into it to remap the ignition. And for a bit more shameless promotion.... ![]() ![]() A lovely black flocked dashboard courtesy of Al at Flocking Fantastic. http://flockingfantastic.co.uk/ Also, that picture is a little old. The car now has GTI Silverstone seats in it. Much better! | ||
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![]() Regular Posts: 117 ![]() Location: New Zealand | The flocking looks cool. Do you know if it works on steering wheels? | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Yes it does. Al does all sorts of things including steering wheels. Feels lovely too. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 697 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: leigh | I presume it will be going on the dyno? I hope it does well! | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | It will eventually yes. It should do pretty well as it stands. Even better if we fit the cams and flow the head a bit. | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | Thanks. It's taken a lot of time and effort but we are doing things 100% right. In person the install looks as if it could almost have come out the factory like that. Edited by *metalman* 4/5/2016 10:40 PM | ||
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Regular Posts: 280 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire | So, a little more progress, started poking around underneath and you guessed it.....rust. ![]() ![]() ![]() So, I got the cutting disc out and went mad! (after removing the sound deadening by a top secret method) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Then started to clean things up and replace the metal slowly, the weld may not be the best but its my first time so don't be too harsh! ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
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![]() Expert Posts: 4458 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Jelling, Denmark | I know that place in the footwell ![]() | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 697 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: leigh | I think we all know that place haha.. | ||
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New user Posts: 7 | James didn't show up today, I guess he was tired?, but the fairy God-welder did, and he did this, claims he'll be back tomorrow to finish it off. ![]() ![]() | ||
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New user Posts: 7 | More cutting out rot, cleaning,welding and with new sills not available, patching was the only option. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() [IMG] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by tom reid 19/10/2016 6:52 AM | ||
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New user Posts: 7 | ![]() The passenger side floor and sill was no better really. ![]() This is under the box for the seat mounting bar. ![]() Edited by tom reid 19/10/2016 6:37 AM | ||
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New user Posts: 7 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Used a full tin of this, might need some more. ![]() And nearly forgot this bit of rot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||